The Daily Incite - September 20, 2007

Submitted by Mike Rothman on Thu, 2007-09-20 09:57.
Today's Daily Incite

September 20, 2007 - Volume 2, #134

Good Morning:
What's the difference between Bill Belichick (the coach of the NE Patriots) and pretty much every other coach in the NFL? Besides 3 Super Bowl rings, that is? He got caught. That's right, he got caught. You don't think every other team has spies in the stands trying to decipher signals to gain an advantage? Of course they do. I'm sure many also use video, as Belichick did. But Bill got caught and now he's a villain.

I did a little rant a few days ago about "hating your competitors," especially relative to competitive intelligence. Given the fact that the Belichick story won't seem to die, and the fact that in the security business it's VERY competitive and everyone is looking for an advantage, what is cool and what isn't? And if you are an end user, how can you know what is real and what isn't and most importantly - whether it matters?

I could write a book on this topic. Maybe I will, but I've got my hands full with Security Mike for a while, so I'll try to summarize fairly quickly. As I mentioned on Monday, no one can assume the competition doesn't know all about your stuff. I don't care what business you are in. You have competition and you need to assume they know all about your stuff. That means you need to know about their stuff.

So how do you do it? Let me use security as an example. You need a box. It's most helpful if the competition will just sell you the box. Barracuda did. It was nice. Drop shipped it right to our offices. The other folks, not so much. So we had to be creative. I can't say much about this kind of creativity until the statute of limitations runs out, but suffice it to say the resellers can be your friends. I also know of an instance where a so-called "independent reviewer" procured a box to review and sent it to a competitor. I guess that's kind of being creative too. In a "2-5 year with an option for parole after 18 months" way.

Once you get the box, you need a lab. You need to bang on your competitor's box and find out where it's strong and where it's weak. Then you need to help your field teams understand that information and use it to your advantage. And at times, some of the competition will lie about what they've found about your box. Sometimes they'll just make things up. If you are a vendor, that's why your SE's are probably the most valuable employees that you have. They need to know how to overcome those objections and make sure you get a chance to be evaluated.

In enterprise sales cycles, it's all about the eval. Especially in security. So do whatever you have to do to get the eval. Make sure your SE's can make the box dance. And also understand that all the competitive posturing in the world isn't going to help if you've lied to the customer about what your box does and what the competition's doesn't. The eval doesn't lie.

If you are a customer, do you care about this stuff? The answer is a resounding no. You are worried about solving your technology problem and if the vendors are more focused on their competition than solving your problem, then you probably aren't talking to the right vendor. And define your long list quickly and get to the eval. The longer you wait and let the vendors snipe at each other, the more confused you are going to be.

The moral of the story is this: Everyone is doing it, so you need to as well. Belichick got caught, but let's be clear, everyone is trying to steal the other team's signals and get access to their game plan. Same goes in our security industry. Some are more ethical than others, but at the end of the day - you can't be competitive unless you have that information. If that makes you queasy, then you probably should find something else to do.

And with that, it's time to get back to work. Have a great weekend.

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Deal: Raytheon buys Oakley Networks
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The Laundry List

  1. Great, now it's time for next generation DLP. We've hardly deployed first generation, but Orchestria thinks they can "dramatically reduce enterprise risk." How so? Delete all the data? I hate these kinds of releases that promise the world and deliver nothing but unsubstantiated claims and two analyst quotes because they couldn't get a customer to say anything.  - Orchestria release
  2. A smart VPN, that's novel. Verizon can recognize your mobile device and place it on a VPN within their carrier network. - InformationWeek mobile blog
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I place you in the motor-mouth camp
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Who watches the watchers?
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http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/2007/09/comment-on-netwitness-article.html
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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2007-09-20 12:17.

You should read the Orchestria release in more detail.   These guys are HUGE in Wall Street and work with all the tops firms.   They really do reduce false positives to tiny levels - it aint BS.   Like lots of DLP vendors, they find it hard to get customer quotes because these firms dont want to admit they have any kind of leaks.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2007-09-20 18:14.
They perform a lot of services for their intel and federal law enforcement clients. Where do you think a bunch of macho ex-cops at the Federal-BI get IE 7 exploits? They are buying them from somewhere, and a big part of that somewhere is ON.

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