The Daily Incite - October 11, 2007
October 11, 2007 - Volume 2, #141
Good Morning:
Gosh this week has just flown. When you are spending many hours a day
knee deep in screen shots, portals, and other consumer-oriented
security stuff, the time just flies by. It's funny, but I took for
granted how hard it is to make complicated stuff seem simple. As I'm
preparing the steps for Security Mike's Guide, I gain a
true appreciation of the things that I previously took for granted.
Like what the Control Panel is. Or how to log into the wireless access
point. As I was working with my test group, it became apparent
what a huge undertaking it is to remove the complexity of dealing with
today's computer systems. Basically I can't. All I can do is try to
give as specific instructions as I can because Windows is FAR more
complicated than it should be. I've said it before, but it doesn't just
work.
I am really jealous of the folks that make it look easy. Like Dave
Grohl of the Foo Fighters. I got to see them live last week and it was
just a great show. In a small venue (the Tabernacle in ATL) with a few
thousand of my closets (and seemingly sweatiest) friends, the Foos
played for 2 hours and did a great job, especially since it was only
the 2nd stop on their new tour. They made it seem easy and a good time
was had by all.
Like when you see a talented hacker sit at the keyboard and break into
stuff. It seems so easy until you take the controls and draw a blank.
How do I do a SQL Injection again? I always had great respect for the
Sales Engineers in the companies where I worked. Those were the guys
that made the difference and in many cases closed the sales. Maybe not
the contractual stuff, but if these guys couldn't make the box dance on
its side, the deal was lost. And most of the products I've brought to
market were REALLY complicated, which made a skillful SE that much more
important. They had to make it look easy because no customer in their
right mind (unless they are on the lunatic fringe) would take a product
they know to have mind-numbing complexity.
I may be giving away a huge secret here, but that is one of my best
landmarks to understand where a market is. Can an IT generalist that
works in a mid-market company deal with the technology? In anti-spam,
it happened pretty quickly. In DLP, not yet. Thus one becomes a mature
market in record time, and the other grows at a good pace, but not an
exponential pace. NAC is in the same boat. Most folks still need a PhD
to get 802.1X to work and although not a firm requirement for NAC, the
two tend to go hand in hand - for the early adopters anyway.
So every time a vendor tells me their market is exploding, I ask how
many customers they have, what is the typical size of their customers,
and what is the average deal size? From those three questions I can
generally get a feel for whether a market is 12 or 18 months from mass
deployment or if the entire market will never cross the chasm.
Since I've given you one of my closely guarded analyst techniques, I
assume you folks will write the Incite on Monday, OK? I'll be spending
the weekend coming up with some new analyst tricks since I've got to
stay one step ahead.
Have a great weekend.
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Top Security News
The
(web app scanner) ball finally stops rolling
So what? -
After only 4 months, the folks at Network Computing are finally done with the "rolling review" of
web application scanners. I'm kind of happy that I didn't
stay up late to get the results in from the West coast, like on
election night. Not that the analysis isn't good and very helpful - it
is. But it really can't take 4 months to state that the tools aren't
really ready for prime time. They like Watchfire's ability to handle AJAX
and the user experience of Acunetix's offering.
In fact, all of the products had some strengths, but don't expect that
scanning your web apps will be as hands off as doing a network scan.
Qualys these tools ain't. But maybe in 5 years they will be mature
enough, assuming that the new parents of the big guys (IBM and HP)
continue to invest in the scanners, which is not a foregone conclusion.
Now if I could only put these reviews on my Tivo or maybe wait for the
entire season to show up on NetFlix. The one episode at a time thing
just doesn't work for me. But it is all about selling advertising, so
maybe the serialized review is here to stay.
Link to this
Hey
Aunt Bessie, you pwned!
So what? -
In the words of Fake Steve Jobs, much love to Qwest for taking a stand
and promising to inform customers of bad
behavior on their consumer ISP (via Larry Seltzer). The analysis from
Danny at Arbor that I recently highlighted showed that the numbers are
starting to look ugly for ISPs intent on keeping their heads in the
sand relative to zombie machines on their network. The good news is
that someone is doing something. I wish they would actually commit to
removing these folks from the network, as opposed to just "informing"
them and helping them get clean - but it's a start. The bad news? Qwest
is a marginal player and it may help them fight off Comcast in Denver,
but it's not going to help enough folks, nor put much pressure on the
bigger ISPs. It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out, as once
someone proves that there is actually an economic benefit to having a
cleaner network - the other ISPs may need to step up.
Link to this
Core vs. context
So what? -
Is it me or has Geoffrey Moore jumped the shark? Of course, Crossing
the Chasm and Inside the Tornado were classics that still hold true for
how technology markets develop. His later work, not so much. Although
his ideas in Living on the Fault line about core vs. context do make a
lot of sense. The general idea of focusing on where you can add value
and let other folks do whatever you can't is really embodied in this NetworkWorld profile of a SaaS provider
that has outsourced their data center. Most of these folks
are in the software business, not the data center business - so I'm
cool with it. That being said, a SaaS that holds my sensitive data is
responsible for my sensitive data. These folks should have an in-house
(not outhouse) CSO that is ultimately accountable to make sure my data
is protected. They need to ride herd on the outsourcer. I'm all for
outsourcing, as long as I have one throat to choke.
Link to this
The Laundry List
- Maybe you can get back to selling? Websense announces a light revenue quarter, I guess they were a little distracted by acquiring the Red Coats. With $80 million in merger synergies to be found, I think there will be a lot of red on a lot of coats in web filtering land. Headhunters start your engines. - Websense release
- Enterasys becomes the latest IPS vendor to throw down a 10Gbps gauntlet. And all starting at a cool $175,000. If you have $175K lying around, there are probably more effective places to spend it than a big honkin' IPS. - NetworkWorld coverage
- Use it or lose it? How about return it? There are no awards for spending all the money, especially if you don't need it. And your CFO will love you. - SecureWorks blog
- Cost of data breaches to increase, according to the G. Way to go out on a limb there folks. And to think, people paid $2000 to go to Symposium to hear nuggets of wisdom like that. - Gartner release
Top Blog Postings
It
gets back to monitoring
Dr.A has a good post here about how to detect an attack, when even the
logs don't really show an issue. As Anton points out, it's all about
anomalous behavior. In this case, the attacker was logging into the
0wned box legitimately. So that wouldn't raise the red flag anywhere.
But you can detect strange behavior, like logging in from remote
locations or at strange times. Massive data movement or other
non-standard use cases are also clues. Reminds me of that Dupont
situation, where they stumbled onto a huge intellectual property theft
because someone was moving a lot of data at weird times. Still aren't
sold on monitoring as a way to REACT FASTER? Not sure what else I can
do to prove it out, except keep banging you on the head about
it.
http://chuvakin.blogspot.com/2007/10/more-on-ftp-or-again-and-simple-user.html
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to this
I'll take IFOCE for $100
Quick, would you rather be CISO/CPO of a social networking site or the
proctologist for the International Federation of Competitive Eating (IFOCE)?
Me too. Trying to figure out what the eaters do with all those hot dogs
isn't very interesting, but it definitely beats being the lone wolf
within a hot Web 2.0 start-up saying "hey guys, shouldn't we be
protecting against 45 year old perverts soliciting our 13 year old
neighbors?" As Rebecca Herold points out, security in a Web 2.0 world
is a misnomer. Since everything is user generated, and there is no real
identity system - you basically have no idea what is going on. I don't
see how the problem is going to get better either. That fine line
between forcing verification (and detracting from the conversation) and
the wild west of anonymity that exists today is more like an ocean.
Alas, we can't have it both ways either. We can vilify folks like
Facebook for having no controls, but at the end of the day they are
just laying train tracks. It's not practical to think they'll be able
to check the background of everyone that gets on the train.
http://www.realtime-itcompliance.com/privacy_and_compliance/2007/10/who_would_want_to_be_a_ciso_or.htm
Link
to this
Why worry about the 4 P's, when
you have the big L?
Francois at the Emerging Marketing blog wonders whether the 4 P's are
still relevant. Come on folks, you don't remember your high school
business course? Or were you too busy hacking away during computer club
to learn about product, place, promotion, and price. The reality is
that traditional marketing hasn't really found it's way into the
security industry. How else can you explain a hack like me pretending
to do marketing for many years? Truth be told, I was at computer club
in high school too, not studying the 4 P's. Unfortunately, the 4 P's
have come to mean product (it's shiny and big and fast), place
(everywhere since we are everything to everyone, you want to buy one?),
promotion (how much VC money do we have left?) and price (before we
pull their pants down, or after?). And he forgot the one big L of
security marketing. Right, LIE. That's the old standby that seems to
make the 4 P's = 0.
http://www.emergencemarketing.com/archives/2007/10/are_the_4_ps_still_releva.php
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