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Pragmatic CSO Podcast #21 - Grass Roots Funding
It's time to wrap up Step 5: Selling the Story. We finish the discussion by talking about how to get funding, when the budget monkeys have told you no. Basically we have to take a "grass roots funding" approach to go to the business leaders directly, make the case, and get the funding we need. It's kind of like selling cookies door to door. We have to be persistent and make the case as to why it would be a good purchase.
This requires us to broaden our skills and likely move out of
our comfort zone quite a bit. It's uncomfortable, but it's a good
thing. Just remember to focus on the "customer" issues, and that the
Reasons to Secure. The business leaders will respond to that.
Ultimately you may not get the funding you need, but you won't go down
like a whimpering puppy. You'll go down swinging, trying to do the
right thing.
Running time: 6:29
Intro music is Jungle and I finish it up with Dire Straits "Money for
Nothing," because that is an appropriate metaphor. There is no money
for nothing. We have to work for it and sometimes that means being
creative about the funding we can/should get.
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Pragmatic CSO review on Slashdot
Nothing like getting a little present on a summer Monday. I wanted to point out that a review of the Pragmatic CSO was posted today on Slashdot. You can check it out:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/28/1330215
Overall, Ben Rothke provided a balanced and positive review of the book, which really hits on the key points I try to highlight not only in the process, but also in my weekly newsletters and podcasts.
Pragmatic CSO Podcast now on iTunes
Now you can take the P-CSO on your iPod with you. This is great news, so now I can haunt you in your car, on an airplane, or even when you are running. Although since all of the podcasts are 6-7 minutes, it wouldn't be much of a run I guess.
To get the podcast, click this link and then it should direct you to iTunes to subscribe to the podcast. Screenshot of what you should see is below.
Rise up against Mediocrity
A few folks (Emergent Chaos, Risk Analys.is) pointed to probably the best Dilbert I've seen in a long time. A lot are funny, but this one really struck home.

When people asked me what I did for a living for a long time my standard response was: "Fight against mediocrity." And that's kind of how I fancied myself. A crusader against all lameness. Someone who wouldn't just accept "that how we do it," when doing it that way was just stupid.
Part of it is naive idealism. Another part is actually wanting to make a difference.
But over time, you get beaten down. Many incentive systems reward for mediocrity. For doing just enough. And if you consistently don't get rewarded for going the extra mile, after a while you'll stop. No one is so self-motivated that they outperform their peers and blast expectations for an extended period of time without some kind of reward and recognition.
That's why I think change is so important. Changing what you do, maybe who you do it for, what your goals and aspirations are, who you hang out with - anytime you start to feel stale. Stale = mediocre.
We in the security business are particularly guilty of accepting mediocrity. Our brand of mediocrity flies buy under the term compliance, which are basically the best practices that we should adopt - or have our executive officers suffer the mythical perp walks.
One of the things I mention in the P-CSO is the importance of thinking differently and not doing what everyone else is doing from a defense standpoint. Dilbert makes the risk of the lowest common denominator approach abundantly clear. If you do what everyone else does, then your adversaries know what that is, thus THEY KNOW HOW TO BEAT YOU.
I love those old movies like "Home Alone," where the bad guys stumble and bumble into every trap. The little kid set a bunch of non-traditional traps and the bad guys didn't know what to do about it. That's exactly how we need to start thinking about computer security as well. As fun as it would be to spray a hacker with honey and then dump them into a pile of feathers, we need to find the digital equivalent of that.
That's why I continue to beat the drum for Security FIRST! as a mantra. If you do security correctly, then I'm pretty confident you won't have much trouble with compliance.
It's too easy just to push the compliance button and figure everything will be OK. To figure that compliance is the end goal, the finish line. Folks we work in security, THERE IS NO FINISH LINE. Compliance is the lowest common denominator. It's something that everyone is doing (or should be doing) and it represents mediocrity.
And who wants to go through life settling for mediocrity?
Photo: "mediocrity" courtesy of Despair, Inc.
The Daily Incite - September 4, 2008
September 4, 2008 - Volume 3, #74
Good Morning:
After seeing so many live music shows this year, the sizzle is waning.
Sure, it's great to see fantastic, charismatic singers. And folks that
can make sounds come out of guitar that boggle the mind. But while I
was seeing My Morning Jacket last week or John Mayer over the weekend,
I didn't focus on the
guitarists (as good as they are). I wanted to pay attention a bit to
the unsung heroes that make live music happen.

That's right, let's hear it for the rhythm section - the bass guitarist
and the drummer. With very rare exceptions you don't go see a band
because you like the bass player or the drummer. Of course, you go to
see Rush to remind yourself how great Neil Peart is. I think that Sting
guy may be able to sing also. But beyond that,
who is the drummer? Who is the bass player?
So at the last two shows I tried my best to pay more attention to the
bass player and the drummer. They
were good. MMJ's drummer had long hair that seemed to do more damage to
the cymbals than his drum sticks. John Mayer's bass player kept the
rhythm going, but now a few days after the show, I couldn't tell you
what that guy looked like. I guess I'm like everyone else. It's the
shiny objects that are memorable, not the rhythm section.
The guitarists get all the money and the chicks (or guys if they
swing that way). So this weekend let's try not to forget these other
folks, even if they are entirely forgettable. Go find a
bass player or a drummer and thank them for the labor they provide
during every live show. Tell them without their contributions, you'd
only have half a band. Half a band sounds like crap.
And then get back to staring at the guitarist. Man, those guys can play!
Have a great weekend.
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All that glitters isn't Chrome
So what? -
So Google goes and releases a "browser" and the entire Internet is a
flutter. Open Source, ooooh. New JavaScript engine, ahhhh. It's even
secure! OK, maybe not, since it seems someone ran a fuzzer on it and
found some vulnerabilities already. Not that wasn't expected, but it's
still funny. Evidently the browser works OK,
according to the folks that have played with it. Dennis Fisher figures won't make a huge dent
in market share beyond the digit heads, Mitchell is bitching about having to Q/A
another browser platform. Do I think this is earth
shattering? Nope. But it's clear that the underlying OS will just be a
host for a variety of "application" platforms that are optimized for
specific use cases. Chrome will be one, maybe Firefox another, maybe
you'll get developers extending Chrome to optimize it for their own
environments. And it won't matter if you run Windows or Mac OS X or
even Linux on your device. This will likely accelerate the
marginalization of the OS, and that's a good thing. Amrit is on the right track about
this being a "platform" more than anything else. But let's not anoint
Chrome as the best thing since sliced bread from a security standpoint
until it's been proven. Google does beta stuff pretty well and until I
can get NoScript type of functionality (and a Mac version), I'll be
waiting on the sidelines.
Link to this
Private browsing - so much for
snooping on your folks
So what? -
A lot of organizations have deployed user web monitoring, I mean web
filtering in order to make sure their users stay productive. That's how
they justified the expense anyway. You have a gateway and it stops
users from going to "bad" sites that would burn up most of their day
(Facebook anyone?). You also could enforce your acceptable use policies
based upon cookies and other cache items left on the browser during an
investigation. But now everyone is taking Apple's lead and adding a
pr0n mode, I mean privacy mode to their browsers. Maybe that's why most
of the Apple users I know are a lot happier than those suffering
through with IE. IE8 will have it, and so will Google Chrome. So aside
from allowing boys to be boys, what are the risks of these private
browsers? Basically these do cut off a significant information source
for investigations. As Seltzer points out, it's not clear what
the real impact will be for compliance purposes and
monitoring the use of technology usage by employees. But all is not
lost, since we can still monitor the network. You also may want to (try
to) enforce the usage of a VPN for remote employees, so their web
traffic is routed through your network. Then you can monitor that too.
That one's a bit harder, but it's possible. The action-reaction process
continues unabated. At least you know these new actions are happening,
so you can plan your reactions.
Link to this
What about #21: Get some
hemlock...
So what? -
It's happened to most of us. You are walked into the bosses or maybe
the HR persons office and then notified you no longer have a job. It's
pretty unsettling, though it gets easier every time it happens.
Unfortunately, given the state of the global economy, this is likely to
happen more frequently over the next couple of months. NetworkWorld has a good article that
provides some tips to dealing with it. Basically, you can't
freak out and hopefully you've been making contingency plans all along.
If you work for someone else, it's kind of silly to assume things won't
change in the business and that you'll always be welcome. This isn't
the 1950's folks, there is no guaranteed, lifetime employment and a
cushy pension at the back end of 30 years of toil and trouble. If you
are too "busy" to take some action and get out and network a bit or to
even develop a contingency plan, do a little visioning exercise with
me. Vision that you are packing up boxes in your office. Then vision
how you are going to pay the bills and keep your significant other in
the lifestyle she/he has become accustomed to. Not a pretty picture,
right? So make sure you are constantly thinking about what's next.
Better to be safe, then dealing with the repo man.
Link to this
The Laundry
List
- Secure Computing puts Securify out of their misery for $15 million and an earn out. VCs took a bath on this one, but that's life in the big city. And it goes to show even a cat only has 9 lives. - Secure Computing release
- Novell introduces the most "advanced compliance management" solution, which evidently is a knife to kill the auditor in the parking lot. All kidding aside, what kind of differentiator is "advanced?" - Novell release
- Sick of paying for AV? Build your own, just don't try to manage it for more than a desktop or two. - NetworkWorld
- You think Ballmer will be master of his own domain? He's under a lot of stress, you know? Maybe Seinfeld will help them fend off the Mac Guy, but probably not. No Office for You! - Dvorak MarketWatch column
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It's a big world and it takes time for
them to do anything
Gunnar gnashes his teeth a bit regarding how small the aggregate
software security market is. Yep, early markets are like that. You have
a couple of big vendors that get 80% of the market share and a bunch of
smaller one's that don't. When you add everything up, you get a market
size probably 15% of a Big Security player like Check Point. The reason
is simple. Everyone has a firewall. Not many do software security YET.
And the yet is the point. Emerging markets are all about hype and
making customers think they have problems they're not sure they
have. No one questions whether they need a firewall. Of
course companies should be spending more on software security, but they
don't understand that yet. They haven't seen it and been beaten over
the head with it for years. That's what it takes. The firewall has been
around for over 15 years, software security has not. It's great the
software security market is growing, but don't expect it to become very
big anytime soon. Only time can make that happen.
http://1raindrop.typepad.com/1_raindrop/2008/08/software-security-market.html
Link
to this
First person XSS
Let me send out a hat tip to Dave Piscitello for pointing me
towards Russ McRee's excellent piece on cross-site scripting in the
ISSA Journal. A key to being a good defender is to understand your
adversaries. So being able to put yourself into the mind of the
criminal is critical to being able to defend yourself. So what do you
see here from a XSS attack standpoint? Basically it's something that
can happen to anyone, and it's hard (as a user) to defend against. I
know I pimp NoScript a lot, but it adds a bit of XSS defense as well to
your Firefox browser. From a developer standpoint, there are a few tips
at the end to keep in mind. Of course, it's unlikely you are the actual
developer, so you'll need to evangelize these points to your developers
at every turn. Validate inputs, verify outputs, and look at both web
app firewalls and code reviews. Russ forgot to tell you to keep
fighting the good fight because behaviors don't change overnight and
building secure applications does require a behavioral change. Note the
link below is a PDF file.
http://holisticinfosec.org/publications/anatomy_of_an_xss_attack.pdf
Link
to this
Is there a silver lining in all
these clouds?
Cloud this, SaaS that. Every day it's more crap about clouds and
services, services and clouds. What's a guy, who likes to keep his feet
on the ground, to do? Amrit's been busy lately. I guess spending some
time in the Ashram during his Asian swing was good for his writing and
time management skills. This post makes a lot of good points relative
to the fact that cloud computing will require a different security
model. I'm not sure what that model ultimately is, but it's different.
Maybe a little different, maybe a lot different, but it's definitely
different. Yet, we are still missing the point about what's most
important to do now. Thankfully Amrit didn't as he points out it's all
about RECOVERING from the inevitable incident. Remember, whether you
are consuming or providing cloud services, if there is a question about
the reliability and/or security of those services, it takes everyone
down with the ship. So make sure you focus on CONTAINING the damage as
you architect these services. It will make or break your business. No
joke.
http://techbuddha.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/saas-and-cloud-computing-change-the-cia-paradigm/
Link
to this
The Daily Incite - September 2, 2008
September 2, 2008 - Volume 3, #73
Good Morning:
As you read this, I'm on my way down into ATL to do my civic duty as a
juror. That's right, jury duty. I know it's our responsibility and one
of the things we have to do when you live in the US. That doesn't make
me any happier. First of all, I need to go into the city. Yes, Atlanta
has the worst traffic in the US. I can only hope that most folks
decided to take a 4 day weekend and saunter in around 10 AM or later,
so I can get into town.

And then there is the waiting. On a good day, I'm impatient, so sitting
around for hours, watching Regis and Kelly or whatever other inane crap
is on the tube may be the end of me. What about those chairs? They may
as well sit us all on beds of nails, as comfortable as those are.
Evidently they want to make sure your jury duty experience is as
memorable as possible. Call in the chiropractor!
The last time I went down for jury duty, I didn't even get called to
audition for a jury. That was lucky. I was bored to tears, but all in
all it was just a day and I went along on my merry way. I don't expect
to be so lucky this time, so I'm strategizing on how best to make
myself as undesirable a juror as exists. My friend told me just to
shout "They are all guilty." Maybe that would work, but could also land
me in the lock-up.
There are lots of ideas on the Internet on how to avoid being called
for the jury. Just Google "get out of jury duty," and all your
questions will be answered. The reality is, I'll likely just opt for
the truth option. I'm sure I'll get some hate mail from my law
enforcement friends, but I don't trust evidence. I know how
easy it is to alter and futz with any kind of digital files. Not all
evidence is digital nowadays, but a lot is. And the odds most folks are
sufficiently skilled in forensically gathering evidence? Probably
pretty small.
I'm also pretty hard-headed. So once I make up my mind, it's hard to
change it. Not impossible, but pretty hard. Not the general open-minded
approach they like to see, I'm
hoping. I can be pretty persuasive, at times, so I could muck with a
jury something fierce if there are any gray areas regarding the trial.
I also have a lot going on right now, so the idea of sitting on a
multi-day jury makes me want to puke. If they think I'm generally
ill-tempered today, wait until Thursday after I've had to cancel a
scheduled business trip and stayed up half the night doing the stuff I
should have been doing during the day.
Thankfully my EVDO card should work while I'm waiting, at least I'll be
productive. And if not, then
I've got enough writing to do to keep a small armada of dilettantes at
their keyboards for weeks. I'm sure I'll be able to keep busy and with
any good fortune I'll be released right after lunch, having completed
my civic duty. Don't get in my way, I've got to get back to my
cloistered life of Starbucks, Delta and Hertz.
Have a great day.
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I wasn't kidding about password reset
So what? -
I wrote a while back about the evils of password reset. Of
course, Shimmy getting owned just seared that into my paranoid psyche,
and then I read this story about Herbert Thompson breaking into someone's
bank account (with permission) and we can all see how easy it
is, especially when you live a reasonably public life. Though when you
examine the steps of the hack, there isn't anything really novel here.
He started with a bit of information, that gave him a bit of a head
start, but it's not a huge amount of stuff. Add to the list of things I
mentioned in the password reset post the idea of a nonsensical (and
unique) user name. Basically for your bank, there is no reason to use
the old first initial, last name user ID. You could use a random string
of characters and add to that a random long, very strong password, and
it would be hard (again, not impossible - but hard) to find that
information out. Using a password manager shields you from the
complexity of having a random user ID and a random password. Of course,
you could make yourself crazy with all this randomness, so at some
point you have to find the balance of security vs. convenience.
Link to this
Don't believe everything you read
So what? -
Hopefully I'm constantly reminding you to not believe everything you
read. If anything, you should be hyper-skeptical as to most of what you
read. Controversy generates page views, thus most tech media (and
mainstream media ain't much better) have a great vested interest in
finding controversy, even when none exists. If you look at the alleged
Best Western breach from last week, we have a number of cases in point.
Best Western did have a breach, but the errors they made were more in
the art of communicating that, rather than what really happened with
the data loss. InformationWeek actually talks to someone at
Best Western to get the "real story." You see, they didn't
break the news, so they didn't control the story. So the media ran wild
with the story, made up some numbers, and were looking for Best
Western's head on a stick. It's the mob mentality at it's best. Of
course, I'm sure there is some spin happening from the Best Western
side as well. The truth is somewhere in that dark, murky middle. The Breach blog presents both sides of the
story, and draws the right conclusion: "At the end of the day, I haven't
a clue as to what happened in this incident." Stuart King takes the opportunity to maybe
share some lessons learned, like the ambulance chasers in the
media will jump all over bad news. But more importantly, the breach
(however large it was) happened due to a malware infection. Check (and
re-check) your defenses, hack thyself and make sure you use these
incidents as a reminder of what is at stake.
Link to this
The political impact of NAC
So what? -
Lots of folks, me included, have beaten down NAC because of hype and
the fact that the market space has not been able to live up to said
hype. Clearly there is a role for NAC in protecting information, but
it's not the Rosetta stone of all things Internet security. One of the
forgotten issues of making NAC work is brought up by the Verizon
Business folks (looks like they have some new PR team, since they've
gotten more visibility in the last 2 months than in the past 2 years),
which is the fact that NAC
requires a cross-disciplinary effort to make it work. The
network team has to work with the endpoint team, and they all have to
work with the security and risk/compliance teams. Yes, big companies
have disparate teams to work on all these functions, and in many cases
there is a lot of territoriality and angst amongst them. Remember, the
enemy is out there, although on many days it seems they are sitting 3
cubes down. Basically any large scale IT initiative is going to require
a lot of coordination, buy-in and support (not to speak of funding)
from a bunch of different groups. That's why I keep saying that one of
the (if not the) most important skill sets for a senior security
professional is the ability to persuade. In this heavy political
season, there is a lot we security folks can learn by seeing the big
dogs do their political thing. Playing politics is part of every job,
probably more so for security folks because we don't really "control"
anything.
Link to this
The Laundry
List
- MessageLabs buys some image analysis technology from Fortium. They are putting more stuff in their black box. Users still just want the spam to stop. - MessageLabs release
- $13 is not a lucky number for Vector/SafeNet as Aladdin says, "our two remaining wishes are clearly worth more than $13." The Genie better have something good in that bottle because given ALDN's last quarter - it seems the magic carpet is running out of gas. - Aladdin release AP coverage
- Web sites still a security mess. White Hat and Cenzic publish their website stats reports. Web security vendors don't agree on much besides the fact that we are all screwed. - Jeremiah's post White Hat report Cenzic release
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Free may be too much...
I've followed the token authentication business since it began. Yes,
that's almost 20 years at this point, and I can tell you that since
almost the beginning, it's been a constant search for what will be the
killer app to get consumers (or everyone within a business) using a
little token fob to log into their stuff. RSnake goes into a bunch of
reasons why it won't happen, and I agree with them. He focused mostly
on the fact that federation isn't going to work. I think the reason is
a bit more simplistic than that. The fact is CONSUMERS DON'T CARE ABOUT
SECURITY. Really, they don't. They say they do, and if they've gotten
hacked, they certainly do. But as long as it's the neighbor getting
their bank account pilfered, they are fine with their predictable user
name and weak password. A while back Entrust started the price war with
a $5 token, but that was targeted towards business users. VeriSign with
partner eBay/PayPal have been trying to push cheap tokens to their
users as well. Power sellers don't have to pay for them, but there has
been minimal adoption. Right, consumers don't care and it's not like
it's a universal token that lets me log into all my sites. Now combine
a token with VeriSign's PIP service and maybe things could get a little
interesting, but probably not. Tokens get lost and I can just imagine
the Boss calling me and complaining that she can't get into her email
or web sites because she misplaced the token. Yeah, not interested in
taking that call.
http://www.darkreading.com/blog.asp?blog_sectionid=403&doc_id=161941
Link
to this
Yeah, hack your third party
vendors as well
You all know I'm a big fan of testing. Test your web apps, your
databases, your networks, your systems, your people and pretty much
everything else. If it can be hacked, you should be trying to hack it.
The bad guys certainly are. Stuart King also reminds us that we've got
a cross-enterprises collaboration model in effect now, and that means
we've also got to be making sure your third party vendors have adequate
defense. So I say, hack them too! At a minimum, scrutinize their
security program and look through their pen tests and other reporting
mechanisms. They may not want to do that, but I don't view that as an
option. Stuart says he frequently visits his vendors and makes sure
things are where they need to be. He also learns from what his partners
are doing and can apply that to his own environment. Basically, we
can't leave data protection to chance and if someone (whether they are
internal or external to your organization) has access to your data,
then they should be tested.
http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/stuart_king/2008/08/third-party-vendor-security.html
Link
to this
Remember to wear your seat belts
Of course, this falls into the category of "too little, too late" from
an advice standpoint. Most folks do a lot of driving over the holiday
weekends, so reminding everyone to do that after the holiday weekend is
a bit silly, but maybe a good reminder. I bring up the idea of
seatbelts because Matthew Rosenquist has a good "fortune cookie
security advice" tip which reads: "Security
policy is like a seatbelt. It will not protect you every time, but it
is guaranteed to fail if you choose not to use it." His
other fortune cookies were a bit less interesting, but this one
resonates. I'd also replace security policy with [any control] because
the statement is a truism. Not security control is perfect, but if you
don't use it - I'm pretty sure it's not going to work. Relative to
policies, Matthew is absolutely correct in stating they need to be
constantly updated - basically living documents. But at the end of the
day, policy is grand, strategy is fine, but execution of those policies
and strategies are the only thing between us and chaos.
http://communities.intel.com/openport/blogs/it/2008/08/25/fortune-cookie-security-advice-august-2008
Link
to this
The Power of Words
If you live in the US, and haven't had your head in the sand for the past week - you know it's convention season. This week was the Democrats, next week will be the Republicans. It's all about party unity and energizing the political base, preparing for the next 9 weeks of brutal slog leading up to the election.
Regardless of your political leanings (and I got soundly thrashed last time for even mentioning politics on my blog), you need to appreciate the power of words.
You see, most of what I've done in my career has been about words. Whether it's words I'm writing or words I'm speaking, it's really always been about the words. I also read A LOT, and that's all about the words. I've come to realize that I love words.
Words can (and do) inspire. If you lean Democrat, you were very likely inspired by the speeches of this week's convention. You got to see great speakers talk about their vision of the future.
Republicans will be likewise fired up when they see their candidates, who are also great speakers, get on the stage and talk about the better days to come. Words allow you to think about something else. Something better.
Maybe it's the words you read in a fiction book, which take you to a different place and allow you to be a different person. Maybe it's the words in your own diary or journal. Those are words you can't run away from because they represent the true you.
Maybe it's the words you hear. When you listen to a truly gifted orator, who has great passion for what they are saying, you are taken to a different place. You think about things in different terms. You expand your mind and believe you can do anything. And in fact you can.
Maybe it's your religious leader. Maybe it's a Tony Robbins-like motivation speaker or a Tom Peter's-type of business sage. Whoever it is, the next time you hear them speak. Go with it. See where you end up. Words are cheap. It won't cost you anything to indulge your imagination for a few minutes or hours.
We also have to keep in mind that words cut the other way. Words can be damaging and incite chaos, dissension and hate. Many of the wars and conflicts throughout history have been started with words. Not enough people really think about what they say before they say it or write it. Once words are out there, you can't take them back - no matter how hard you try.
Of course, words are not actions - but words lead to actions. For better or worse.
When my daughter asks me what my favorite book is, I have historically said, Dumas' "The Count of Monte Cristo." That story of faith, redemption and finding the emptiness of revenge is timeless to me. But now I see I was thinking too small.
In fact, now I see my favorite book is the dictionary. Whatever life has in store for me, I'm pretty sure my answer will be in the dictionary. I just have to figure out how to string the words together.
Have a great holiday weekend if you are in the US. See you on Tuesday.
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Network Security Podcast, Episode 117
OK, so it's not a Pragmatic CSO podcast, but while the Mogull is away playing in a Hazmat suit, Martin enlisted the B team to help out on this week's Network Security Podcast.
I display my deft analyst skills in talking for 10 mintues straight without taking a breath, as we discuss all sorts of goodies, like Nate Lawson's toll booth attack, PCI 1.2 and other assorted topics.
Captain Privacy makes a guest appearance. I also get to talk about the Pragmatic CSO and some of the research I'm working on.
As always, chating with Martin is fun. So check it out.
Running time: 30:34
http://netsecpodcast.com/?p=88
The Daily Incite - August 26, 2008
August 26, 2008 - Volume 3, #72
Good Morning:
As cool as the Olympics were, I'm a bit perplexed by some of the TV and
media coverage. We got all Phelps, all the time (and with good reason),
we got lots of ladies gymnastics (for good reason too), some Kobe and
LeBron and a good amount of Bolt. All of this makes sense. But we got
very little decathlon. I notice these things because the 1976
decathlon (in Montreal) was the first time I really remember following
the Olympics.

Of course, that was the year that Bruce Jenner won and became a
national fascination. I guess every Olympics has their big stars and
unfortunately the guy that won the decathlon, Bryan
Clay, isn't on the list. That's right, did you even know an
American is the "world's greatest athlete?" I didn't.
Did you know that Bryan Clay took silver in Athens four years ago?
Yeah, me neither. What happened to the world-wide fascination we had
with the decathlon? Remember Dan and Dave, that Reebok ad campaign
before the 1992 games? Then Dan didn't make the Olympic team and Dave
sucked wind in Barcelona. Yeah, Reebok took it in the shorts on that
one. Then Dan came back four years later in the ATL and took gold.
Guess that was the first redeem team. What's Dan O'Brien doing nowadays?
I don't know why this is annoying me. There are a lot of athletes that
didn't get much air time, unless you count CNBC coverage at 3 in the
morning coverage. But the decathlon is something else. Or at least it
used to be. Bruce Jenner's nose job and face lift (how else could the
guy still look 35?) gets more coverage than the Olympic gold medalist.
In fact, I couldn't even find a picture of Bryan Clay with his gold
medal. Not that I could use without paying a crap load to Getty Images.
That's why I pulled this Bruce Jenner mural. It's all I could find that
was sort of related to the decathlon. Bryan Clay needs to fire his
marketing reps. He may make it onto a Wheaties box because every
decathlete seems to do that, but no one will know who he is. And
that's a shame because he accomplished something spectacular in
Beijing.
Have a great day.
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Criminals taking the path of least
resistance (and least risk)
So what? -
We may not like to admit it, but our adversaries are business people
like everyone else. They just happen to be in the business of fraud and
crime. When you are facing that old career management decision, you
have to figure these folks are opting from online fraud because it's a
lot safer, with a lot less risk than sticking up a bank - for example.
As much as you would have liked to, you probably didn't spray bullets
at the person that sent you a phishing message. But there was always
the threat of getting caught and then doing time. But evidently that
threat isn't much of a threat either, since it seems the US justice system can't seem to figure out
what to do with cyber-crime. Thus, it will take some time to
figure out how to properly gather evidence and prosecute these folks,
and I'm sure many will walk on technicalities and win their trials
because the prosecutors are still trying to figure out how to use
email. So that means online criminals have a bit of runway before there
is an occupational hazard of getting thrown in the slammer. What does
that mean to you and your family? You can't count on the "system" to
make things right, so you have to protect the people you care about
yourself. Train them on how to detect fraud. Configure their machines
securely. Monitor your credit cards and banking accounts frequently for
signs of something funky. At some point, they'll figure out how to
bring these folks to justice, but it will take a while.
Link to this
Outsource your app testing
So what? -
Application QA (quality assurance) is hard on a good day. It's hard to
find good folks, it's hard to automate the process, it's hard to really
map what a user is going to do. And when you do this wrong, you ship
crap code and piss off your customers. Normally I don't mention
start-ups (because most of them suck), but there is a new
company called uTest that has built a community of sub-contractors to
help customers test their applications. It's a cool idea,
especially the community aspect of it. Kind of like Elance (which I use
to find designers), but applied to the application testing markets.
These contractors beat on your application from all parts of the world.
So you can get a real feel for how the user experience works in both
Topeka and Timbuktu. You are also much more likely to find
platform/browser specific issues via this method because you can assume
the testers all use different technology platforms. It's not clear what
kind of security testing they'd do, but that would be an interesting
place to specialize and be able to charge significant premiums. But
this seems to be a model with long term legs and why wouldn't it?
Finding people is very hard, managing them is even harder. If these
types of organizations have cracked the code on that, there is a lot of
value there.
Link to this
VeriSign becomes your password
PI(m)P
So what? -
Single sign-on remains the holy grail for many folks. I have accounts
with countless web sites and many of them have different password
requirements. Given the risk (especially on my financial accounts), I
also prefer to use very strong passwords. So 1Password has been a
life-saver for me. Now VeriSign is getting into the web SSO
business with their Personal Identity Portal, which is
described here by TechCrunch. They've got a long list of sites they
already integrate with and that will grow over time. You are trusting
VeriSign with your credential, but they are in the security business,
no? Personally, I like to have control over my data - that's why I
steer people towards either 1Password for Mac users or KeePass for
Windows (I use both). But that's just me. If the alternative is to use
your dog's name or your alma mater as your password for everything,
then let VeriSign pimp out your passwords. More security is better than
less security, even if it's not perfect.
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The Laundry
List
- Joel Snyder loves the Palo Alto box, since it gives more visibility into what's actually happening. This is where the technology is going, the question is whether the incumbents will get there soon enough to squeeze new players out of the PAN and into the fire. - NetworkWorld review
- And so it begins. Check Point finally ships an integrated endpoint agent along with an updated suite. Is it really integrated? We won't know until someone actually tests it out, but this is where things are going. - Check Point releases
- Hat tip to Becky, who pointed me to this article about an actual HIPAA violation. Egads! Someone going to the slammer for taking patient files. Of course this was done the good old fashion way (actually stealing the files), but maybe security vendors can spin this as a reason to buy that data encryption. - KTEN.com coverage
- Blue Coat announces Q1FY2009 earnings. Big revenue growth, but buying Packeteer will help with that. They aren't really a "security company" anymore, but over time there won't be many "security" companies. - Blue Coat earnings
Top Blog Postings
Yes, security is a process (and
mindset), not a product
Schneier has been saying that for years, and he's still right. This
post by AndyITGuy reminds me of that, especially about how most
organizations don't protect customer data in any way, shape or form.
It's not that they don't want to, or blatantly skirt the rules. It's
that they just don't realize that actions (like leaving loan
applications on their desks or not locking their computers when they
walk away) is an invitation to have that data stolen. It's not the
people that are broken, it's the process. Now good people can overcome
a broken process, but it's hard. Andy points out that looking at log
files and having high level interviews won't give you the answers you
need to really understand the process. You've got to get out into the
field and observe how folks do things, and then you have to fix a
broken process and train folks in how to behave properly. Remember, the
most dangerous place for a security professional to spend the day is
behind their desk.
http://andyitguy.blogspot.com/2008/08/im-not-expert-in-all-things-security.html
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Compliance <>
Panacea
Rich rants a bit (responding to an Anton post) about the checklist
mentality to doing security. I was talking to some of the muckety-mucks
from the PCI Standards Council yesterday about the same issue. Many
many practitioners are looking for the easy way out. They want someone
to tell them EXACTLY what to do, give them a shopping list and then
tell them everything will be alright when the auditor shows up.
Seriously. So many many vendors try to do exactly that. They make
whatever widget they sell look like a compliance panacea. Buy my thingy
and the auditor will smile and be happy. Not so much. Rich's point is
that many of the regulations are nebulous about specific technologies,
which means the vendors are basically making up any firm correlation
between the regulation and their product. Remember Security FIRST!
Figure out the best way to protect your data, and then the compliance
will fall into place.
http://securosis.com/2008/08/18/dont-sell-compliance-if-it-isnt-a-checkbox/
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Experience makes the nomad
I read Hugh Macleod's blog because I like his artwork. But every so
often he posts something that clarifies a lot of what I deal with as a
one-man band, whose office is more likely a coffee shop than anywhere
else. Digital nomads "can and do work anywhere he or she likes." And
it's true. I was at the beach for two weeks over the summer, and if I
didn't tell you - you wouldn't have known. Unless I am doing a strategy
engagement or a seminar keynote, it really doesn't matter where I am.
And that is liberating. But I also have been around long enough to
appreciate the technical advances that have made this possible. EVDO
being probably the most important, but also better laptops, blogs and
communities (to do marketing) make this kind of lifestyle possible. But
the one thing that has been most useful to my ability to be an
independent analyst is EXPERIENCE. This kind of business, job or
lifestyle wouldn't work for a kid right out of school. They don't know
anything and they need some structure to learn it before they can head
out on their own. I spent over 17 years in the school of hard knocks to
earn this privilege. And a privilege it is, I don't ever forget
that.
http://www.gapingvoid.com/Moveable_Type/archives/004651.html
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The Daily Incite - Blogs in the attic
August 25, 2008 - Volume 3, #72
Good Morning:
As most of you know, I've been seeing a lot of live music this summer.
It's been great. Stone Temple Pilots was the latest on the list. It was
kind of amazing to see the number of young people at the show. By young
I mean college age (remember, I'm no spring chicken anymore). Weiland
did a good job and the band sounded pretty good.

But as I sat down to write this morning, I wanted to mix up the
soundtrack a bit. I've been focused on listening to the bands that I'm
going to see (so I can remember their songs), but I just had a yen for
some Billy Joel this AM. So I busted out "Songs in the Attic." What a
classic!
And then I went to check out my bookmarks and realized that there were
some great posts that I didn't get around to discussing when they first
showed up.
So today I'm going to hit some of the "blog posts in the attic." I'll
hit a couple of posts (including a bunch from Richard Bejtlich) that I
should have gotten to in the first place. Hopefully you'll still hit a
few links and check out the full pieces. They are worth it (or I
wouldn't waste time covering them now).
Then it's back to the grind. Lots of client work to get through this
week and no travel to distract me.
Have a great day.
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Blog Posts in the attic
The Tao way to think about the DNS
exploit
Bejtlich looks at the DNS exploit from the perspective of "time and
relative data." The idea is that the bad guys have the time to complete
the picture, even from relatively scant data. This was clearly the case
in the DNS situation. Once Dan intimated there was a cat in the bag,
lots of people on both sides of the law went about figuring what kind
of feline was trapped in the burlap. We make the assumption that
Halvar's speculation and Matasano's confirmation were the first
examples of this. But in reality, those were only the first that most
of us heard about. We can't assume that our adversaries don't already
have the exploit. Which is why I'm such a big fan (and card carrying
member of the Network Security Monitoring religion) of testing our
defenses as often as practical. I don't like to assume the bad guys
don't have the attack. The DNS issue is just the latest example of why
this approach is important. And Richard even worked a Dr. Who reference
in there, which is always good.
http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/2008/07/dns-and-cyber-tardis-problem.html
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Do we really want to know about
that insider?
#2 on today's Bejtlich hit parade is Richard questioning whether we
really want to find those insiders. He uses an example of
counterintelligence services not really wanting to find spies because
it doesn't make anyone look good. The unfortunately truth is that many
folks bury information because they think it will make them look bad.
They turn their head at behavior they know is wrong and hope it will go
away. Hope is not a strategy and the issues don't go away. They just
fester until they blow up. And there is a lot more collateral damage in
an explosion. One of the hallmarks that I stress in the Pragmatic CSO
is that "it is what it is." Burying the issue won't help. Avoiding the
question doesn't help either. Deal with the situation, quickly and
candidly. I guarantee you will look worse if the truth comes out and
it's not from you. Richard suggests a central group that is in charge
of identifying security breaches. Kind of like an IAB (internal affairs
bureau) for your organization. If you are really big, these folks are
usually called Audit, but we know that's kind of a joke at times as
well. Basically, there are lots of potential remedies, but at the end
of the day, it depends on PEOPLE. If you and your people do the right
thing, this isn't an issue. That's the challenge we all face every day.
http://taosecurity.blogspot.com/2008/07/counterintelligence-worse-than-security.html
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Buckle up, it's going to be bumpy
Dino talks a bit about the history of security in this great post.
Basically his theory is that we are dealing with the hangover from our
promiscuous connectivity in the 90's and our focus on exploits over the
past few years. It's an interesting idea, but the most compelling
aspect of the discussion is the fact that most progress happens in
rough evolutionary advances that most people cannot predict. Life is
not linear, by any stretch of the imagination. Neither is progress. So
we have a lot of status quo, and then our world view is turned upside
down and then it settles down. Then repeat. So what does that mean? I
have no idea what it means. If I could predict things, I wouldn't be
writing a security newsletter. Yet we can prepare for the inevitability
of a truly disruptive attack or defense by being able to REACT FASTER,
by focusing on how you'll contain the damage, and ultimately by doing
the right things every day to not get caught flat footed. You still
will be (caught flat footed), but at least you'll sort of be ready. A
lot of the Pragmatic CSO is done within the context that you don't know
what's around the next corner and trying to figure it out is kind of
futile (for the most part). And smarter folks that me continue to
assemble stories that validate this view on security.
http://blog.trailofbits.com/2008/07/24/evolution-is-punctuated-equilibria/
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Wherefore art though
quantification?
Shrdlu goes down an interesting path in this post trying to figure out
the degree of quantifying the risk of any situation. I've been an
outspoken critic of trying to truly model "risk" in any meaningful way,
not because I don't think it would be useful, but more because the
number of assumptions that need to be layered on top of other
assumptions, which are then sent through someone's subjective filter
about the true "risk" of any situations makes me skeptical. Shrdlu
makes a number of these points, which really get down to the fact that
RISK IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. And the amount you are willing to
spend to reduce, eliminate or transfer that risk is going to be
different than the next guy. This is one of my frustrations with trying
to gather objective metrics on security operations as well. The
business relevance (after all, what other kind of relevance is there?)
is really not something that is going to be consistent between
organizations. Not by a long shot. Ultimately it gets down to this: "What matters is the building
blocks your executive wants to use to make his risk decisions, and
whether they’re dollar figures, colors, or Venn diagrams,
you’ll need to make an effort to supply them."
Well said.
http://layer8.itsecuritygeek.com/layer8/quant-love
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Failure happens
Being an entrepreneur at heart, failure is not a big problem for me. In
fact, I've been failing at one thing or another for most of my adult
life. But that doesn't stop me. In fact, it drives me harder because I
know that is the process and the way things work. If I'm not doing some
stuff wrong or finding things that don't work, then I'm not pushing
beyond my comfort zone and I'm not getting better. There is a
ridiculous stigma of "failing" in our society and it's too bad. Part of
my family is very risk-averse. Change is hard for them. They actually
think I'm an alien, which I get great enjoyment from. I don't think the
green suit and bug eyes help, but the thing that makes failure
acceptable to me is that I'm pretty confident I won't make the same
mistake(s) again. I spend some time analyzing what worked and
what didn't. Whether you are talking about a failed business, product
line or even a security incident, the POST-MORTEM is one of your most
important tools. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on
me. The post-mortem makes sure this doesn't happen. Check out this post
about how one guy's start-up went down and what he learned. It's
fascinating and stuff we probably know already. But seeing it reminds
us. And reading this post is a lot cheaper than doing it yourself, no?
http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/7/monitor110-a-post-mortem
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