The Daily Incite - June 17, 2008
June 17, 2008 - Volume 3, #57
Good Morning:
I hope everyone had a great Father's Day, that is if you are a father
or have a father. I know better than to assume the nuclear family still
predominates around the world. My day was great. My kids made me cards
and were generally on decent behavior. I did try the "behave it's
Father's Day" line a few times, but they figured that after the gesture
of the card, they were off the hook.

Almost every Sunday I take the kids to the gym and drop them off at the
child center. Then I hop aboard the stair machine or the elliptical for
my 45 minutes of "exercise." I figure it would be less painful to have
my teeth drilled with no novocaine, but I guess running fast to stay in
place is good for my heart.
But at least I had my old buddy Tim Russert and Meet the Press on the
tube (with fancy closed captioning, so I could listen to music at the
same time) to pass the time. Which is why hearing about his death last
week was a real blow.
I didn't even know the guy, yet I felt like I did. I've spoken to a
bunch of people that have said the same thing. He was like a bit of
fresh air, a sort of sanity in what has become a crazy political
backdrop. Now he's gone, but clearly won't be forgotten.
Last Thursday I wrote about leaving a legacy and taking the long view.
Tim Russert was a great example of that. He single handedly revitalized
the Sunday talk show format, and provide ways of describing incredibly
boring and nuanced political machinations in a way that even a
simpleton like me could understand. I'll never forget that white board
during the 2000 Election night. My company that night was my 3 day old
daughter (in her bili lamp) and Tim Russert.
Life does go on. The election will go on, but it won't be as much fun.
Some other jackass will pull out a white board, but it won't have the
same effect.
Most of all, the thing I'll remember about Tim Russert is that he went
out doing what he loved - voice overs and prepping for his show. At
some
point (hopefully a long time in the future), my time will come. And I
can only hope I have a big smile on my face because I was doing what I
love surrounded by the people I care about.
Have a good trip Tim. And you have a great day.
Photo: "tim
russert"
originally uploaded
by hbushra
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Top Security News
What? Data leak prevention actually
stop leaks?
So what? -
Stiennon is at it again. After pining away for Camelot (more on that
later), now he
sort of takes aim at the DLP business - in his inimitable
Stiennon way. The great line from Apocalypse Now always comes to mind
whenever Stiennon opens his mouth: "I love the smell of Napalm in the
morning." Richard is really saying the DLP emperor has no clothes. That
data is in too many places to be adequately protected. And not just
electronic places. That's a relief,
I wanted to work on my short game today. Richard's assessment that
"data leak prevention is impossible," is empirically correct - but
besides the point. Building a secure application is also impossible,
but does that mean we don't try? Do we not deploy some type of
filtering for our email and web traffic to make sure the low hanging
fruit is addressed? Do we not try to figure out where our sensitive
data is, just in case we get the wild hair to try to protect it? I
know, a lot of questions for a Tuesday morning. Actually Richard isn't
even talking about electronic DLP, rather controlling paper documents
since the UK Secret Service lost a bunch of papers because some idiot
left them on a train. This falls into the same bucket as the VA data
loss to me. There is probably no reason why this dude had sensitive
papers on Al Queda off site, is there? Can you ultimately control it?
No. Can you set policies and have public executions if people don't
adhere to the policies? Yes - and I believe you should. Nothing like
the smell of a public execution in the morning.
Link to this
Is your assessor ISO 9001
certified?
So what? -
OK, that is a bit tongue in cheek, but now the PCI Security Standards Council is initiating
a quality assurance program for assessors in the fall. This
is actually great news and a key facet of scaling the PCI data security
requirements. The reality is there are too many retailers and not
enough decent assessors. Kind of like the good old days of dealing with
the Big 5. The Partner comes in and wows you, and then the college kids
show up to bungle the project. It's not that bad relative to PCI
assessments - yet. But getting out ahead of it by setting a set of
guidelines and then building a feedback loop to shine a light on the
weak assessors is a good thing. The thing we all have to watch for is
assessor "witch hunts," where the merchant and the assessor have a
difference of opinion, maybe about a compensating control or a specific
process. Ultimately the Standards Council needs to be careful not to
undermine the credibility of their assessors. There is already a
process to handle differences of opinion, by working through the
payment processors and then ultimately to payment brands themselves.
But if the quality program becomes a way for a merchant to get around a
challenging assessor, that kind of defeats the purpose, no?
Link to this
The Laundry
List
- Sourcefire names John Burris as CEO. I figured it would be a BOD member, but I picked the wrong one (I had money on Becker). Burris has been looking for a CEO gig for a while, and now he found one. Be careful what you wish for. - Sourcefire release
- It's not quite the Secret Service, but Obama is looking for a web app specialist. Maybe after this gig, you could write a book and get on Meet the Press. - NetworkWorld coverage
- This advice on how to supplement Snort with other tools isn't just for VARs. The Tao Master provides some high level concepts of what other data to collect to verify the findings from Snort. - SearchSecurityChannel coverage
- Looking at NAC (even if Stiennon says not to)? Check out NetworkWorld's NAC buyers guide, which if anything provides a list of vendors. - NetworkWorld buyers guide
Top Blog Postings
How do we get ahead of it?
RSnake brings up a good point here, which is that we are pushing our
developers harder and faster than ever before. Do it faster, get it out
there and then iterate quickly. That mentality doesn't really provide
the best environment to ensure that applications are somewhat secure
before they are released in the world. I agree that the SDLC isn't
totally getting the job done and that some of the band-aids (like a WAF
or a database activity monitoring offering) can help. But we are
treating the symptoms, not necessarily the cause and it's presenting
quite a quandary. The mantra of the security folks needs to be "do no
harm to the business," but then we tell everyone to move slower, in a
world that wants to move faster. Is there an answer? Of course, but
it's not really pleasant. We need to start securing THE DATA. At least
the important data anyway. Some of the research and big thinking the
Mogull and Hoff are doing relative to information-centric security is
very interesting. Because I'm pretty sure we aren't going to make the
access roads to the data more secure, so we better starting thinking
about the problem a bit differently.
http://www.darkreading.com/blog.asp?blog_sectionid=403
Link
to this
Tippett changes his tune on IDS
From a disclosure standpoint, I have to admit that I used to work with
Peter Tippett at TruSecure and can say his approach and philosophy to
security (called the Essential Practices) laid the foundation for the
Pragmatic Way. I'm not
sure how they did it, but the folks at Verizon have coerced Peter to
actually start writing on Verizon's security blog. Maybe $400 million
had something to do with it. In this piece, Peter talks about his
history of hating IDS (and the associated MSS monitoring services) and
I can vouch for the fact that he's been using the submarine analogy for
at least 6 years. Is Tippett changing his tune? If anything, Peter is a
man of science and he believes the data. Verizon's recent data breach
investigations report certainly made some waves, and one of the
counter-intuitive findings was that most attacks take weeks before data
is actually compromised. Thus, an approach of looking for attacks in
the rear view mirror may be worthwhile. Me? I'm not so sure that
looking for attack signatures is the
best way to do this kind of analysis. I'm still a fan of monitoring,
but using network flow data and other security device data - as opposed
to strictly relying on a signature engine. Not that there isn't a place
for IDS signature (and minimal blocking), but it's not a panacea. Just
another data source. It all gets back to REACTING
FASTER, which Peter never really bought into. Maybe I'll send him a
REACT FASTER t-shirt, now that he's on board.
http://securityblog.verizonbusiness.com/2008/06/10/i-was-an-anti-mss-zealot/
Link
to this
If this is Camelot, I'll go look
for the Holy Grail
The great thing about the blogosphere is that if you look hard enough,
you'll likely find someone that shares your opinions. For 10 minutes,
at least. JJ pops Stiennon's Camelot
balloon by actually questioning
whether this new category called "network-based entitlement control" is
really much of anything new. I have to admit, I spoke to Rohati and
didn't get it either. I know I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, so
to see someone with technical chops like JJ ask some questions is
comforting. Rohati talks about controlling access to
applications by applying network-layer filters in a really fast box.
This is based on the fact that applications just suck at their
own security, so that
enterprises should be spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to
externalize security from the applications. I guess this comes from the
Contact school of procurement. Why
build it once, when you can build it
twice for twice the price. I do understand that applications like
SharePoint are sub-optimal from a security standpoint. But do I need to
build another layer of my network security infrastructure to deal with
it? I guess it depends on how much private information is in
SharePoint. Or maybe I look at moving to a better application platform.
Given I'm going to spend a couple million anyway, why wouldn't I buy
something that solves the problem in the first place, as opposed to
layering a network-based band-aid on top of it. But you have to hand it
to Rohati's press engine. They've made it newsworthy that some ex-Cisco
engineers started a company, since that's never happened before. I'll
follow-up with a similar disclaimer to JJ. I could be wrong, it has
happened before. But the jury is out until any of these folks trying to
do application specific stuff in the network gain some traction.
http://securityuncorked.squarespace.com/security-uncorked/2008/6/15/network-based-entitlement-a-rose-by-any-other-name.html
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