The Daily Incite - May 9, 2007

Submitted by Mike Rothman on Wed, 2007-05-09 08:57.
Today's Daily Incite

May 9, 2007 - Volume 2, #76

Good Morning:
Being the parent of small kids, it's always interesting to get to the point that the kids start bending the truth a bit. When they are really little, they are like the soothsayer's stone. Ask a question and you get an answer. It may be as sophisticated as "I wanted to," but it's what they think. There is no spin, which is refreshing considering what I used to do for a living.

Then at some point, they evolve a bit and start trying to cover up what they do and why. Usually it's not a big deal, but you get a lot of finger pointing. This is particularly an issue with the twins. Something will end up on the floor, broken and I'll ask who did it. Sam instinctively says Lindsay, and Lindsay says Sam. Every single time. When I push back, they both say "Leah" in unison. After I stop laughing, I put both of them in time-out. What else can I do? I'm not going to get a straight answer, so at least I'll get 2-3 minutes of peace.

Most of the time when I talk to vendors, it feels like I'm talking to the twins. They pitch me on some undecipherable technical gobbledy-goop and want to show me their friggin' interface. I keep telling them, I don't care about the interface - I want to know what problem you solve. And most security stuff happens behind the scenes. It's not like they can show me the decision tree an IPS takes to determine if a packet is bad or good in a demo. But showing the analyst a demo is in Marketing 101, so they feel compelled to do it.

I always ask why they win, what makes them different and then I am really talking to 3 year olds. We do this better than them. And the other guys inevitable say they do the same thing better. That's why I don't believe anything until I get it validated in the field.

It's even funnier when I talk to someone that hasn't done their homework and checked my bio before we talk. They try to snow me with some sophomoric trick and they are shocked when I call them on it. Oh, you are using the  "you can't prove this either way trick," the "we've suspended the law of physics trick," or some variation on the "name dropping Fortune 50 companies you had an intro meeting with trick."  Believe me, I know them all. I've used them all. My bullshit detector is finely tuned.
 
Of course, it's the end-users that end up caught in the cross-fire. Most users are used to vendors slinging mud at each other and having to put on hip boots to wade through the crap to get at some semblance of the truth. But it's these games that force me to continue pushing users to test everything significant they want to buy. The last thing you want is to be sold a bill of goods that you then get to explain to the CIO why the first choice isn't working out.

Users need to do their diligence and believe nothing that you can't prove in your lab. This general skeptical stance will save you a lot of heartburn after you have the product installed. Trust me on this. I'm just glad I am in a spot now where I'm only expected to tell my version of the truth. Like my tagline says, No Bull. No Bias. Real Incite. After 8 years in the Gulag, telling the truth has been liberating. But that's just me.

Have a great day.

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How big before ITIL matters?
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And I thought I was grumpy
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Strange database security coincidences
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The Laundry List

  1. Cisco announces FQ3 earnings and guidance disappoints. Stock down 5% after-hours. No Hoff, keep your wet-naps. I thought you knew trees don't grow to the sky. And Cisco spends more on toilet paper than Zix sold last quarter. - Cisco earnings Zix earnings
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More from Farnum on SIEM
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http://infosecplace.com/blog/2007/05/08/another-educational-institution-another-siem-eval/
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Malware numbers don't matter
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http://www.realtime-websecurity.com/articles_and_analysis/2007/05/resources_and_tools_for_measur.html
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Taking on the sacred cow
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http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/05/do-we-really-need-bruce-schneier.html
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